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General Discussion / Re: Online Comments (You should have 4 total by the end)
« Last post by haoruli on July 17, 2019, 02:44:08 am »
I agree Xiaoyu’s opinion about Aldous Huxley's Brave New World: a new world that there is a high level of material civilization, and everything is automated, and people don't worry about food and clothing and enjoy the most comfortable life. She points out the question that can the human beings living in this world really be called "human beings" when a person's desire is satisfied. She quotes Huxley’s idea that the world without independent thoughts has no freedom, the measure of life is not the human body, but the existence of self-consciousness. Pursuing the satisfaction of sensory desires blindly, the so-called ideological beliefs are also inculcated by the rulers, having no self-will, such existence cannot really be called "human".
It is true that people are just a machine that has a human body and educated in batches without personal interest and self-will. This can be related to paternalism. Paternalism is the interference of a state or an individual with another person, against their will, and defended or motivated by a claim that the person interfered with will be better off or protected from harm.
If the government makes all decisions for their citizens, it will create a society just like Huxley's Brave New World which human-beings will exist without meaning.

Haoru Li
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I kind of agree with Ricardo's ideas about Paternalism. The purpose of paternalism is for the welfare, needs and interests of the relative people. It can be divided into two situations: one is to prevent people from self-harm, the other is to enhance people's interests while its measures restrict the freedom or rights of the relative people to varying degrees. However, some laws or policies are public welfare from a social point of view and paternalism from a personal point of view.
For Ricardo's idea about "it is better for individuals to be able to exercise choice", I think because of the unreliability of many human choices, we should not assume that the instrumentalist view of free choice is persuasive in all contexts. I think we do should respect personal choices, but can individuals really know where their interests lie under any circumstances? Or we can say, is it right that people make decisions at least better than third parties do for themselves? This claim is not supported in real life and we can't give a clear answer. In the case of smokers, alcoholics and bulimics, their choices cannot be rationally considered as the best way to improve their good life, which is, in these circumstances, people's choices cannot be considered the best choice to improve their welfare.
Therefore, I cannot choose a specific side to say whether Paternalism or self choice would be better, just as Dworkin says at the end of the article: "If there is an alternative way of accomplishing the desired end without restricting liberty although it may involve great expense, inconvenience, etc. the society must adopt it.".
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General Discussion / Re: Welcome to CreateaForum.com
« Last post by Qi Wang on July 17, 2019, 12:51:40 am »
I agree with Xuehuan Zhu's point. People have rights to use drugs and they are not supposed to use that right at all. In China, drugs are illegal and by the government. From my personal experience, I was taught the disadvantages of taking drugs overly and got a bad expression about drugs. I always saw the people who took drugs were very thin and undernourished. Also, they are more likely to be criminals for the simple reason that they need to pay for the expensive drugs. Most of them do not have the ability to earn enough money. Also, by taking the drug, they are less likely to do difficult work. They just want to make money quickly. In this way, they have to take some crimes. Also, social pressure would also be the very important factor to prevent people from taking drugs. People who take drugs are considered to be bad and do not do anything at all. The government also control drugs very strictly. In this way, it is difficult for people to get drugs. The government have already know the bad influence of drugs. It will destroy a person's body and mind. However, it is very different from America. In America, it’s legal to take drugs. People sometimes take drugs to help themselves to relax.
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“Neither one person, nor any number of persons, is warranted in saying to another human creature of ripe years, that shall not do with his life for his own benefit what be choose to do with it” - said Mill. I agree with Mill.  Isn’t paternalism just a way to force people. Given it a acceptable philosophy name? How do you determine wether it is beneficial to that individual ? Human are too persist in self benefit. Most people, to be precise. As it says on Google, examples of paternalism in everyday life are laws which require seat belts, wearing helmets while riding a motorcycle, and banning certain drugs. but what I think it is a way to restrict others, it should be belong to some other idea, but not as a individual idea of philosophy. letting other doing things is against individual's negative right. A negative paternalistic explanation of slavery is one that claims that slave holders held slaves because they believed it was in the slaves best interest or an explanation that claims that slaves viewed their masters in a manner similar to the way children see their guardians. which is against human right. How do you define if a person has the ability or not that they need others to take care of them, and to determine for them. Everyone is born free and equal. Society has made them different, and society has conduct paternalism for the moral and utilitarian purpose. I believe human don't even has the real right, right only exist when people are together, there should not be any positive right, only negative rights make sense under a society. Therefore I agree with Mill that Paternalism shall not hold.
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About Abortion- Chris Wang (Yipeng)
Should abortion be legal. “open-textured and flexible… but intolerable that a creature is not a person simply because it is in the interest of others [to regard it so]” (Devine 243-244) in page 234 Devine talked about why abortion should not be allowed, as it is killing a fetus, same as killing a person. I would not agree with that. abortion should be banned after a certain time the woman got pregnant. the way of not given woman a choice to keep or not keep the baby is not fair in certain situation. What if the woman was being **** and get pregnant. What if the girl was too young to have a baby. What if there is a very high risk to for the mother to birth the fetus. Even now some of the countries has the rule of illegal to do abortion after 20 weeks. i would think when it risk the mother's life to birth the fetus. The family should still have the choice to do abortion. Also about Warren's idea: Abortion is “no different from cutting one’s hair”, because a fetus is not a person. I would not agree with him either. This idea is too heartless and cold blood. If you choose to have a baby. just killing it with no reason would be unaccepted for most people, which is inhumanity. Devine's idea was too extreme as well. as my personal opinion, there was no right, right are created by people's benefits. therefore we should not have something affirmed. I mean what we have now the law of abortion might be the best way for society's benefit, even you are in a states in USA that is not allowed abortion can still go to another state to do it. Things are always flexible only if you reach the bottom line.
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General Discussion / Re: Online Comments (You should have 4 total by the end)
« Last post by Lingxiu Ji on July 14, 2019, 07:54:56 pm »
Perhaps because of the propaganda, I was convinced that drug is something that can be so harmful to the society that it should be banned 100%. However, I studied in America, where various kinds of drugs are acceptable. Just a few years ago, New York States, the state which I’m living in, allowed people to carry 100 g of weed on the street. After such a decision I’m not so concerned. There are so many students in my university smoke weed in the night the day before and go to the class seems without any influence. I also leant from my psychology classes that weed has actually less toxicity than alcohol. In fact, marijuana is less addicted and less toxocarid than alcohol, cigarette, and even ****. I used to believe that all drug should be banned, and anyone who use drug is considered to be immoral, until I heard the examples of Portuguese. Portuguese use to have a huge drug problem and after it decriminalize all the drug, the problem goes away. At 2000, every 104 people in a million of its citizens died from drug usage. Now, it’s only 3 people compare to the average of EU, which is 10 people.

However, in China, this discussion is inappropriate, we need to consider the the history of China, especially the history when Chinese citizens are referred as “东亚病夫”, and the recent history of Chinese government’s strong regulation and prohibition of drugs. Talking about decriminalizing drugs in China is inappropriate, irresponsible and impossible.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by xzz0427 on July 14, 2019, 10:38:00 am »
I agree with the idea that euthanasia cannot be consider as a form of suicide. According to the definition, suicide refers to the act or an instance of taking one’s own life voluntarily and intentionally. Voluntarily literally means without being forced. For me, suicide is an consequence that is taken by oneself during the whole process, including considering and acting. Although that euthanasia should agree by patient himself or herself, the final execution should be still done by medical staff. We don’t know that if the patient still want to die until the last second of the injection. Once people agree to get euthanasia and sign the contract , the patient’s destiny become fixed. Not like suicide, people still have a period of time before they die. So the suicide and euthanasia are two different idea.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by Qi Wang on July 13, 2019, 08:52:40 am »
Neither one person, nor any number of persons, is warranted in saying to another human creature of ripe years, that he shall not do with his life for his own benefit what he chooses to do with it. It is from Mill in page 385. I think he is half right and half wrong. It is true that parents are the first teachers for kids. During this period, parents tell kids how to perform in any situations. Kids always do what their parents tell them to do. In this way, kids become the creature of ripe years. They do not react by their wills or wishes. It’s the truth. In my opinion, it is good for kids to follow their parents’ directions in their early periods for the simple reason that they have no idea what the morality is. They may act what they like. Most of actions are impolite and may offend other people unconsciously. For example, kids are likely to argue with other kids to get one toy. They do not know how to share with others at all. In this situation, it is necessary to be taught by adults for kids. By learning, they could make fewer mistakes and act politely. Sometimes they just have no idea to deal things in a more proper way.
Also, kids could not make decisions by themselves wisely at all. They are more likely to do things they like. They will be easily attracted by the candy advertisement or some new toys. They are very curious to all things when they are young and naïve. However, when they grow up, they can make their own decisions by themselves. I do not think things they learn when they are kids will affect their decisions. If so, everyone would not be so struggling when they need to make decisions. They have already known how to deal with these situations. For example, Jobs, the founder of Apple, quit the Stanford University. He must make the decision for himself and his own benefits. He thought it was useless to spend time in university. He wanted to do something cool. I do not think parents will teach their kids to quit university at all. In this way, he did it for his own benefits. Ripe years only help people to know values and norms. However, every individual must make their own decision by themselves.


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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by libo on July 12, 2019, 11:28:32 pm »
First of all, I don’t think abortion is illegals or moral. The unborn baby is part of your body, I I think once your part of body got sick&, you deserve the right to deal with that part. Either leaving it alone, or cut it off. However, that part of yours could potentially being a human being. That makes us think the part of body is unique and be more cautious. My point is, if there’s andy thing we have to do with your own body, it’s their own decison
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by libo on July 12, 2019, 11:23:51 pm »
I totally agree that there’s  not a thing called absolute free will. Once you know what is happening and try to predict the outcome, your decision was influenced by your prediction. Every happens for a reason, and there was a chain effect, your decision are the most logically suitable part of the chain effect, thus, I agree there’s no free will exists.
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