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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by libo on July 12, 2019, 11:19:44 pm »
Government like nazi and Japanese, their act was not a example of death penalty, it’s rather called a race purification, since their people did nothing wrong and they are just not qualify for that supreme race. Even though I think death penalty should not be murder, act of Nazi is.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by yeqiyang on July 12, 2019, 10:52:46 pm »
History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. When a rapist is arrested, there are fewer ****. However, after a drug dealer is arrested, it remains unchanged for the supply and demand of the market. The arrest only creates an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who would like to take the risk to create profits. It costs billions of dollars every year from tax payers but drug become more widely used in these years. By eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults, we may focus on the crimes or violences in law enforcement which may further establishing appropriate regulations. Such crimes like murder, child abuse and aggravated assault may further controlled and thus our communities will be safer. Non-violent drug use destroy families and with better regulations, drugs will be less accessible for children and safer for adults. Placing drug abuse in the hands of doctors instead of criminal justice system will reduces rates of addiction and deaths. With the money in better purpose, black market and drug cartels will be suppressed rather than benefit. Furthermore, the job opportunity created by drug legalization gives way for potent criminals and drug dealer a way to survive rather than taking risk in committing crimes.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by haoruli on July 12, 2019, 10:47:54 pm »
I would like talk about Paternalism. On Dworkin pp. 385-400, we can know that paternalism is the interference of a state or an individual with another person, against their will, and defended or motivated by a claim that the person interfered with will be better off or protected from harm. The issue of paternalism arises with respect to restrictions by the law such as anti-drug legislation, the compulsory wearing of seat-belts, and in medical contexts by the withholding of relevant information concerning a patient’s condition by physicians.
I think paternalism involves limitation on the freedom or autonomy of some agent. Many government measures aimed at changing the behavior of individuals entail some level of coercion. That is, they require governments to restrict the choices of their citizens in certain areas. It indicates that the government is better able to make decisions in a person’s interests than the person themselves which is contradicted with the idea that the individual is best placed to know what is in his or her interests.
In my opinion, it is better for individuals to be able to exercise choice because this enables them to cultivate and exercise moral autonomy. And, where the state does intervene in people’s lives, taking away their ability to make their own choices, undermines their ability to learn from their mistakes and to develop as morally responsible citizens.

Haoru Li
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General Discussion / Re: Welcome to CreateaForum.com
« Last post by Xuehuan Zhu on July 12, 2019, 10:29:11 pm »
in,Davis.A.j.Richards, SEX, DRUGS, AND PRIVACY; it mentioned that " To say, therefore, that people have a human right to use drugs is not to conclude that everyone should exercise this right." I think this is totally right and easily understand. it means that every citizen do have right to use drugs, but it does not mean, or strongly not suggest, that everyone should use this right to take drugs to experience this. many people when they begin to take drugs. it is hard for them to get rid of it. They will be addicted to drugs and destroying their lives.
in Qing dynasty, ancient China, government did bot forbidden opium. Almost Everyone take it, because they did not have correct recognition. Everyone, even officials take it, thus there is the bad example. Besides, there is no law restriction. Many people even do not want to take the drug. They are lured into taking it. Once they taken, they cannot resist the temptation, so they still taking it, then they get sick. Some people wanted to take drugs to comfort the disappointment in real life, so they takes it, this worsen the situation. Of course, this bad situation might because many England  wants to invade China, so they did that. Also, the main reason is that there is no law to forbid that. Thus, the situation is that people in Qing becomes sicker and sicker, many people even died, and the country becomes weaker. Thus, after that, Qing made a activity to destroy the opium. The story is remembered by others.
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  On page 282-291, the author Jeffery Reiman talks about the folly of capital punishment. He believes that since capital punishment costs more than life in prison in America, by rationality, people should all choose life long imprisonment instead of death penalty. “Thus, his arguments goes, we must follow common sense, which teaches that the higher the cost of something, the fewer people would choose it.” (Abelson 282). However, although life imprisonment costs less than capital punishment, sometimes capital punishment are still needed for certain people.
    Recently, there was a famous news about a series killer in China, that aroused a lot of public concerns. A few years ago, he was put in prison because he **** a girl, who was abou ten years old. For that, he was put in prison for ten years. However, since he performed well inside the prison, he was released after five years. Then, a few weeks later, he **** and killed another young girl. After that, he confessed his crime to the police. If he did not do that, he would be put a life long imprisonment. However, since he confessed honestly, he received a reduce in his penalty. After several years, he came out from prison again and people think he would not do that kind of thing again. Then, surprisingly, he **** another girl and kill her.
         From this situation, we could find out that sometimes death penalty is needed for some people like this. They do not care about imprisonment, and they just want to do what they want, and death penalty is for this kind people.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by Zhou Chang on July 12, 2019, 09:28:48 pm »
I disagree David’s view about drug and privacy. Firstly, he argued that sometimes the power of criminal law exceed moral constraints, which violates human rights. It is important to keep the fairness of criminal law and making sure that it is executed in right place, which is for the sake of our society. When laws have extremely authority, the stability of society can be guaranteed. Human is a complex animals, if we let human right beyond everything, then government is hard to maintain the order of the society. Also, laws are respect human rights if they are legal. For example, if someone hide a murder in his house, and he refused police’s searching request. It is true that the house owner has the right to protect the privacy of his house, however, if the police lets his right over laws, then they can’t catch the criminal, and he may murder more person when he escapes. So, when human rights and criminal laws have conflict, the laws are should always be taken in first place. Secondly, he argued that paternalism cannot be justified. The interference of government is necessary because not everyone has the right moral education. Without government’s supervision on drugs, those who have wrong moral action may abuse drugs. Now we assume the right of taking drugs without interference is promised by government, then people who abuse drugs will hurt others and make a bad influence on the society because drugster can’t control their actions and moral standards are nothing for them. In conclusion, I disagree David’s arguments for drugs and privacy.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by Xiaoyu Zhang on July 12, 2019, 08:51:15 pm »
From Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, we can see a new world that there is a high level of material civilization, and everything is automated. People don't worry about food and clothing and enjoy the most comfortable life. Every day after work, they can take a private supersonic plane to travel around the world for holidays. Economic prosperity and enjoyment of life have become the only philosophy and religion of the whole society. Henry Ford, the first pipelining producer, was regarded as the new God. As science develops, people has realized the enormous productivity brought by science, has enjoyed the rich material products produced by the assembly line, at the same time, found the vulnerability of this mode of life: various unstable factors in human society, ranging from war to illness, will affect production, which in turn will lead to chaos and retrogression in society. Therefore, in order to ensure social stability and prosperity, ensure that all kinds of materials can be produced continuously, and realize human happiness, it is necessary to eliminate these unstable factors. So the designer of the Brave New World uses advanced science and technology to transform human beings. The transformed human beings are classified, they are loyal to their own ranks, they can not even have their own ideas because the designer of "Brave New World" understands that the key to social stability lies in controlling people's mind. Freedom of thought is the greatest threat while the emergence of new trends of thought is often the prelude to social revolution. It will be very destructive to allow a person to think freely. Everything in this world is set up: to make people like what he/she has to do. The goal of all conditions is to make people like the social destiny they can't escape.
As I read, I wondered: Can the human beings living in this world really be called "human beings"? When a person's desire is satisfied, but in exchange for his own thoughts and will, is this equal to the satisfaction after the completion of the goal? Let's imagine, the same people, the world without any emotional fluctuations, all your ways of doing things, your ideas, have already been conditioned. Are you really a "human"? You are just a machine that has a human body and educated in batches. Just as what Huxley says, the world without independent thoughts has no freedom, the measure of life is not the human body, but the existence of self-consciousness. Pursuing the satisfaction of sensory desires blindly, the so-called ideological beliefs are also inculcated by the rulers, having no self-will, such existence can not really be called "human".
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General Discussion / Re: Welcome to CreateaForum.com
« Last post by unmusedsr on July 12, 2019, 02:20:18 pm »
Page 169-189, this is a short science-fiction story. There’s couple questions I want to discuss. I know in those kind story we are forced into doing some moral choice like this, so I have get rid of any other possible solution, like the situation in the “train” story.
As in utilitarianism approach, in order to maximizing the benefit, the best choice for them is to throw the little girl out the window,  which would save other five’s life. And they did, also they are following the conventionalism approach, they are on a mission and no matter what it takes, they should follow the command. Here is my question, what if that was not a little girl, instead, it was an animal(dog/cat/bear), and captain has huge connection to it. Does he still choose to throw it out the window. I guess he could not make choices in that circumstance. So the point is, anything , a living creature or a object, once there’s relation or emotion associated with it, people tend to hesitate, that is the virtue doing the work. In the end, they throw the girl out the window, she does not have a connection to the captain. That is why she got throw out in my opinion.

shuran lin


Libo cheng


First of all, I think you have a very clear point for your argument, it is easy to follow and make connections of. I specifically agree with your point on utilitarianism, which "kill one to save a hundred", valuing personal satisfactions and cost-benefit worked as the main aim of this ethic theory. However, in this case, I think the relationship between the captain and the little girl is debatable. Although the little girl is not related to the captain, the captain should not throw her out of the window. If being flexible in different circumstances is the captain's virtue, then throwing his loved ones will also be equivalent because it is virtuous and he should not hesitate. If he knows the negative feelings will come to him if he decides to throw his loved ones out, then the little girl should be treated the same. Moreover, humans have feelings and too complicated to analyze every kind of it, in the same time it is hard to follow the same standard all the time, thus in my opinion I think the captain have made the tough decision between throw the girl or not, but I think there is no essential difference if the little girl was replaced by someone or something that is associated with him based on utilitarian's perspective. Different emotions will be attached to him if the person is different, but the decision will be the same.
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General Discussion / Re: 1st Online Comment (Due 12PM, Saturday, July 6th)
« Last post by unmusedsr on July 12, 2019, 12:50:49 pm »
The topic of Categorical imperative (or Duty ethics), which was introduced by Immanuel Kant, specifically argues that each human being should follow the universal duty in order to obtain morality in life. His theory is somewhat extreme, yet his idea is well spread due to his unique views on absolutism. In the text of Ethics of Morden Life, by Raziel Abelson, the author mentioned that Kant may have a clear distinction between genuinely moral rules and some mere custom or prudence (Raziel, 32) at the very beginning. Moreover, he decided to follow this ideology in a life-long path. Based on Kant, one should always be rational and be fully aware of his behaviour, and also be able to take consequences based on the actions he took. Although a lot of other philosophers pointed out that his theory is too strict or hard to follow, I personally think it is a basic human ethics that everyone needs to obey. In my opinion, I think human was born without saint, the crime or vice we have are built through our growth, it is impossible to eliminate any crime in today’s world, but based on Kant’s duty ethics theory, if everyone can have this faith and regulations in their heart, the crime rate may be decreased a lot. Moreover, based on the education and environment I grew up, I was told not to lie at all circumstances no matter what. For example, if my best friend stole something from the shop and the owner found out and ask me for evidence. I will tell him/her the truth even my friend may break with me. I believe everyone should be honest no matter what the situation is or how hard it is, and eventually faith will overcome the vice. Although it is not simple to apply this theory to every circumstance, I think Kant’s duty ethics theory is one of the most successful and moral theory in the world.


shuran lin
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General Discussion / Re: Welcome to CreateaForum.com
« Last post by Lingxiu Ji on July 11, 2019, 08:19:32 pm »
“A U.S. tourist, driving through a central American country ruled by a cruel dictator, stops in a village where twenty rebellious peasants are lined up against a wall, facing a firing squad.  The commanding officer approached the tourist and offers to spare nineteen of the rebels if the tourist takes the officer’s revolver and shoots one of the rebels. Compared to the dilemma facing the pilot of the spaceship in “The Cold Equations,” is the tourist’s moral dilemma more, less or equally difficult to resolve morally? Defend your position as you compare the two situations.”

------ p.188 Ethics for Modern Life, Raziel Friquegnon



The question is whether a U.S. tourist will go and execute one of the rebels in a nation of the dictator in Central America in order to save the other nineteen. First, if the tourist is following Divine command. Majority of the Americans are Christians. The Christian religion teaches people that they should not kill people. So if the tourist is strictly following the Divine command, he will not kill the man and save the other 19. However, a single U.S. tourist going to central American, according to my stereotype, is more likely to come from a rather liberal state, and holds liberal, non-religious view when making their act.

If the tourist is a government official or a businessman, he or she might follow the Utilitarianism, believing that he or she should do the best for the greatest number. If he wants to the best for the greatest number of Americans, he will shoot one and save the others. American’s traditional value is liberal and democratic, thus opposing any authoritarian states (with exceptions of the cases that there are great benefits to be gained). A state that is led by a dictator is by nature U.S.’s enemy and assuming the enemy of an enemy is a friend because the tourist doesn’t have enough time to investigate the reason those 20 people are rebelling for, the people rebelling is American’s friends. And if the tourist shoots one of the rebels and saves the other, that means saving 19 allies of America, who might fight for freedom around the world and for American’s interests. However, the tourist needs to take the credibility of the commanding officer in an authoritarian nation. If he shoots the man and the commanding officer ordered his firing squad to keep shooting. That means that he didn’t save anyone, plus that he’s now killed one himself. In this case, the cost outweighs the benefits. He also needs to consider the identity of those twenty rebels. If one of them is the head of the rebel, he should, when following utilitarianism, shoot one of the other to save him.

If the tourist is following Kant’s duty theory. He should not shoot the man and save the others. The act of killing something is not going to pass CI. If killing something is normalized and universalized, then the world will be in a state of suffering, and chaos. So even though the consequence of him or her killing one is good, he can not do that based on his goodwill, under Kant’s duty theory.
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